Recent Comments

There are a couple of comments on other posts this week that I didn't want to see get lost in the shuffle.

In case you missed them, I recommend you check-out:

Rob's comment regarding the persistence of stories as cultural echoes.

Marc's comment pointing to a recent article on the religious justification for genocide/infanticide.

Thanks to all of those that have posted recently!

Meeting notes

The meeting notes taken by Jonathan Forrester and transcribed by Seanchan Owen.

Seanchan apologizes for the technical kerfuffle and hopes to have the problem fixed soon.

12:35
technical problems, now meeting.

Obama/Osama - Christianity

John T... How we deceive ourselves.
What are the differences between subconscious/unconscious.
There must be something else
rationalize circumstances/fax/perceptions

Rob… Cognitive dissonance:
convince ourselves to things other than the facts
there is an awareness that is not consistently recognized
“the other” in the process of interpretation

Mark… The legacy question:
DNA
you become compost
deeds - the effect you have on the world
what you do/do not do
the result of your actions regardless of your consciousness
considered Chaos theory
the mere fact of your existence is the impact

Rob… Stories exist
cultural reduplication is more interesting than the singularity

Malcolm… “To live in the hearts we love is not to be dead” Campbell

Mark's final point
maybe your nonexistence has as much impact as existence
“choice doesn't matter”

John T… Some effects have better or worse impacts
based on values
outside of the realm of values, nothing matters

Mark… Time is relative
matter is a form of energy

1:05 adjourned

What if memory is our conscious existence?

Rob has been given the credit for saying something like “Memory is proof that the conscious exists” in our last meeting.

John Palme goes on say something like, “Memory is synonymous with consciousness. If you had no memory, do you lose consciousness? The feeling of having the memory is the feeling of consciousness.”

I would like to follow these thought a little bit.

What if memory is our conscious existence?

Let me put forward this scenario.

1. Stimula come in through one of our senses.

2. The brain matches the stimula up with a stabilized symbolic image.

3. This strengthens the stabilized symbol and increases a consistency to existence.

4. It is the consistency to symbolic existence that is consciousness.

What do you think of them apples?